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0015756MediaMonkey 5Main Panelpublic2022-09-30 20:42
ReporterLudek Assigned To 
Status resolvedResolutionreopened 
Product Version5.0 
Target Version5.0Fixed in Version5.0 
Summary0015756: 'Manage views' functionality seems broken / incomplete
DescriptionI configured another order for columns in "My view" :

1) the columns order is unchanged when I switched from 'List view' to 'My view'

2) I cannot define which sub-views should be enabled for "My view"\

Edits by Rusty:
1)b) Column chooser is difficult to use because it's a modal dialog and many of the columns aren't visible. Perhaps change the orientation to vertical OR at least display the columns as compactly as possible
1)c) Sorting should be implemented by a 'Sort by:' option (since the current sorting mechanism is non-intuitive)
1)d) Is there a reason why List views don't have a Group by: option (i.e. it's unclear why there's a special view for 'Albums & tracks'--why can't it just be a List view with a 'Group by' option?)

3) 'Browser' view should have options for what displays within (besides the 'Collection grid'). e.g.:
a) Suggested Artists
b) Suggested Albums
c) Pinned items

4)a) For any Grid view or subview that contains images (e.g. Artist suggestions), image size should be a configurable option
b) Ideally, there should be a 'default' image size configured in e.g. Library>Appearance so that users can configure default image size _once_. That way users can leave the 'default' setting in most cases, and only change the setting for specific views.

5) Options > Media Tree should allow the user to configure the views associated with root nodes of the media tree along with the views associated with the Child nodes. This implies:
a) If the user configures Collection options for 'Music', there should be an additional tab for Views (immediately following the 'Criteria' tab). It would contain the same content as 'Manage views' for the Music node.
b) Change 'Tree nodes' --> 'Sub-nodes & Views'
c) It should be possible to edit the Views associated with 'Sub-nodes' by:
. . i) clicking an 'Edit' button
. . ii) double-clicking the subnode
In either case, the 'Manage views...' dialog associated with the subnode should open.
d) Change Media Tree --> Collections & Views
e) Edit Media Tree --> Edit and configure nodes to display
f) Media Tree Item --> Content to display

6) Unless I'm misunderstanding how this is supposed to work, there seems to be a conflict between the Collection config and the Views config--they each respectively give the user the ability to choose what columns to display within a Collection / View, and yet Views are configured independently of Collections. Is this an issue?

NOTE: Once 'Manage views...' is correctly implemented, we should probably eliminate the current context-menu based approach as it is quite messy (especially if we add view configuration options that are missing from the context menu).

TBD (yet to be evaluated):
Other collection-level nodes: Classical, Podcasts, Audiobooks, Music Video, Video, TV, Playlists, Devices & Services, Folders, Pinned
Other top level nodes: Years, Publishers, Rating, Classification, Location, Files to Edit
Lower level nodes: AlbumName, ArtistName, GenreName, etc.
TagsNo tags attached.
Fixed in build2240


related to 0015926 closedrusty Improvements to navigation of Playlist/Folder hierarchy 
related to 0016391 resolvedrusty List views are not configured/saved per-node 
parent of 0015584 closedpetr Views: Subviews should persist on a per-view basis 
related to 0015112 closedmichal Missing features in some views 
related to 0015712 closedrusty "Art View", "Browser View", "Grid View" - why different names for the same view 
related to 0015801 closedrusty Playlists: Grid View is not available 
related to 0014086 closedmichal Add 'Column browser'/Filter to more views 
related to 0016070 closedmichal Choose columns dialog crashes when changing columns visibility - regression. 
related to 0016266 closedLudek "Grid (by Album)" view is missing from some views 
related to 0016468 closedrusty 'Manage Views' via Collection Options > Sub-nodes & Views fails 
related to 0019345 newpetr Custom Views are unavailable in Location sub-nodes 
related to 0018296 closedrusty Track Browser: Artwork and Summary columns are listed out of order 
related to 0019416 assignedrusty Views: Ability to 'Group by' x 



2019-10-22 08:47

developer   ~0055070

Last edited: 2019-10-22 10:23

re 1d) i've rather removed Group By option (as there were always just one option). Reason we have 'List' and 'List (by album)' is because this list refrects viewAs options in view handler
re 2) based on 0014132 item 5 sub-views are not configurable


2019-11-06 19:17

developer   ~0055235



2019-11-26 18:21

developer   ~0055507



2019-11-29 21:58

developer   ~0055568

Verified 2218

Left resolved till Rusty confirm.


2019-12-05 20:01

administrator   ~0055605

Bug 1576
2) Subview configuration:
Image size is configurable for view types in which they don't appear (e.g. Type: List)

7) Layout issues:
A) In the 'Configure View' dialog, 'Preset name' should be changed to 'Name'.
B) 'Image size' shouldn't be a button and shouldn't be aligned with the OK/Cancel buttons since it's an attribute, and should be visually associated with all other attributes.

8) When the user adds a new view, the cursor is initially in the Preset Name field, but typing has no effect!

9) New views don't work right away:
1 Music > All tracks
2 Manage views > Add new
3 Create 'Test view'. Remove a few columns (file/path), change the sort order (rating a..z), and enable subview:column filter. Click OK 2x.
--> A) 'List' view appears (instead of 'Test view' which was selected when the user clicked OK at step 3)!
--> B) 'List' view has the column/sort settings of 'Test view', but without the subview!
4 Click the Views dropdown button
--> C) 'Test view' isn't shown as an option!
5 Click 'Manage Views' and select 'Test view'
--> 'Test view' appears correctly (with the expected subview unlike B)
6 Switch to 'List' view
--> 'List' view displays correctly (unlike A)

10) Deleted views don't update right away:
0 Switch to 'List view'
1 Manage views > Select 'Test view' and press DELETE, and click OK
2 Click the Views dropdown button
--> 'Test view' is still listed as an available option!
3 Switch to a different view and click the Views dropdown
--> 'Test view' is now removed.

11) This is a variant of 8, in which deleting the active view --> crash
0 Switch to 'Test view'
1 Manage views > Select 'Test view' and press DELETE, and click OK
2 Click the Views dropdown button
--> 'Test view' is still listed as an available option!
3 Switch to a different view and click the Views dropdown
--> 'Test view' remains.
--> MM crashes: Crash log ID: A04C6FA4
Preumably, what should happen is that if the user attempts to delete the active view, then MM should switch to e.g. the First view in the list.

12) After making an edit to a view, clicking the View switcher doesn't work. i.e.
1 Click Manage views > Browser
2 Check all 4 options, click OK 2x
3 Click the view switcher (not the down button)
--> Nothing happens!
4 Click the 'down' combo box view switcher
--> User can switch views!

13) In Music [Browser], MM5 shows the Collection Browser, Suggested Artists, and Suggested Albums,
1 Click Manage Views > Browser
--> Only Collection Browser is checked off!
i.e. there's a disconnect between the config and what is actually displayed.

14) Re. options for Music [Grid view]:
A) In view configuration for Grid view allows the user to enable the Collection Browser, Suggested Artists, Suggested Albums, Pinned list (even though none of these are relevant to the Grid view (see attached image)
B) Would it make sense to allow the user to enable the Collection browser (this is useful if for Music [Grid], since it's a root node and should allow for switching to other subnodes. Note: this applies to all views at the root node level (i.e. Music [List], Music [List by album])

15) After making edits in Music [Browser], and Music > All views, then when switching from Music to Music > All --> views are corrupted: and display a combination of all views applicable to both nodes! See attached.

I'm stopping testing at this point since I'm no longer sure what is a bug and what is due to corruption in the views.


2019-12-22 20:40

developer   ~0055755

Last edited: 2019-12-22 20:42

Aside from the above there are several reports that this functionality is broken in 2219 and creates duplicities in the View menu:


2020-01-08 09:31

developer   ~0055820

Image size works globally as CSS/LESS constant so it could be tricky to make it configurable per view.


2020-01-08 09:55

developer   ~0055821

Image size is constant in LESS, and after changing it we need to regenerate whole CSS from LESS, because also several other LESS constants and many styles depend on this constant (text size, line spacing, paddings, margins, positions, etc). So every view would need its own CSS then.


2020-01-13 10:03

developer   ~0055835

Last edited: 2020-01-13 13:47



2020-02-24 15:40

administrator   ~0056843

Last edited: 2020-03-02 19:48

I have not yet verified previous fixes, but there are several other user-reported issues that I can replicate:
16) In List views (e.g. Music > All Tracks), Manage Views for List views fails to persist any changes re. Column settings (i.e. Add/Remove/Re-order columns has no effect).

Reported at:

17) Strangely, adding/removing/re-ordering columns within the view or using the Choose Columns functionality works (Barry reported that the changes didn't persist, but I didn't notice that problem. I would however, suggest that 'Choose Columns' dialog be eliminated and that instead it should open the 'Manage views' function for the current view (since that has the Choose Columns functionality as well).

18) Creating a custom view of the same View Type as a default view fails to independently persist View elements. e.g.
in Music > Genres > Acoustic Rock [Grid (by album)], create a new custom view of View type 'Grid (by album)', but enable the 'Column Filter' element
--> the Column Filter is also enabled for the 'Grid (by album)' view!


2020-02-25 22:37

administrator   ~0056885

Holding off on this until we decide on 0016391.


2020-03-12 19:07

developer   ~0057179

Last edited: 2020-03-13 09:42

Note that 2) was reverted based on conclusion in 0016391:0057171

Based on this I would also suggest to change wording 'Manage views...' -> 'Customize views...'


2020-03-12 19:20

developer   ~0057180

Last edited: 2020-03-12 19:21

19) (in 2232) custom view columns/sort will apply to [List] view


2020-03-12 19:21

developer   ~0057181



2020-04-08 05:20

administrator   ~0057543

Tested build 2239 up to issue 8) and found the following thus far:

0016504, 0016468, 0016503

20) Tools > Options > Collections and Views > Podcasts > Sub-nodes & Views Tab >
Double-click 'Podcast Directories' --> Crashlog A04CACF7, C4917761


2020-04-08 08:24

developer   ~0057545

20) fixed


2020-04-08 16:29

administrator   ~0057553

Tagging as resolved to trigger testing.


2020-04-08 20:34

administrator   ~0057561

Verified 20) in 2240. Leaving 'resolved' to test all remaining items.


2020-05-14 22:50

administrator   ~0058014

Verified all issues in 2247 except:
Open issue:
14a) If Pinned List is enabled in any Collection's Root [Browser] view (other than Entire Library [Browser] ), the pinned items don't appear. I suppose that for now, the Global pinned items should appear, and in the future, we may have different pinned items per Collection?

Open issues tracked elsewhere:
17) Better access to sort settings opened as 0016515 + related tweak 0016614
18) Variants of this view corruption re-opened at: 0016379
21) Grid views flash when switching between custom grid views: 0016616

Will not be implemented:
5) Collections no longer integrates View configuration.
1d) Group by functionality can't be configured. e.g. no way to choose List (by Artist) for music or List (by Composer) for Classical. Though I expect that we'll revisit this in the future.


2020-05-15 16:36

developer   ~0058048

14a) fixed


2020-07-03 09:06

developer   ~0058745

1d) i think we need to completely revise classical support in MM5


2020-12-16 20:11

developer   ~0060828

Last edited: 2020-12-16 20:20

Resolved for testing 14a, the others issues either tracked elsewhere (17, 18, 21) or won't be implemented (5, 1d)

EDIT: issues 8-16, 19 should be tested.