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| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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| 0005431 | MMW v4 | Properties/Auto-Tools | public | 2009-03-27 17:33 | 2024-01-11 20:22 |
| Reporter | rusty | Assigned To | |||
| Priority | urgent | Severity | tweak | Reproducibility | always |
| Status | closed | Resolution | fixed | ||
| Product Version | 3.1 | ||||
| Target Version | 4.0 | Fixed in Version | 4.0 | ||
| Summary | 0005431: Original Album Title usage is inconsistent | ||||
| Description | MM 3.1.0 uses Original Album Title inconsistently. Sometimes it means Original Album Title, but other times it refers to Original Track Title: Property name : 'Original album title' Context help : 'Title of original version of this track' Column title : 'Original Album' Advanced search criteria : 'Original Title' ID3v2.3 field name : TOAL(This means 'Original album/movie/show title') Vorbis comment(Ogg vorbis) field name : 'ORIGINAL ALBUM' Vorbis comment(Flac) field name : 'ORIGINAL TITLE' The id3 spec for TOAL is " The 'Original album/movie/show title' frame is intended for the title of the original recording (or source of sound), if for example the music in the file should be a cover of a previously released song." That original spec is sufficiently vague so as to be interpreted as "Original Track Title" or "Original Album Title", which is probably the historical root of the current ambiguity. I believe that the field is most useful for storing "Original Album Title" and that everything should be updated appropriately. Do you agree? If yes, I can specify the changes. | ||||
| Additional Information | http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=38158&start=0 http://www.matroska.org/technical/specs/tagging/index.html http://www.id3.org/id3v2.4.0-frames http://help.mp3tag.de/main_tags.html http://age.hobba.nl/audio/tag_frame_reference.html | ||||
| Tags | No tags attached. | ||||
| Fixed in build | 1392 | ||||
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Yes, that should definitely be unified. Question is, whether Album or Title is better, as you wrote, there isn't any clear specification. I would just say that Title is more useful, because you often want to know what song is this one based on. But, that's just my opinion... |
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Agreed--there's probably a need for both fields. e.g. user requested: By the way. Is it possible to add a field “Song title (original):” [in german: Song-Titel (original)]: here? It would be nice, because (example) “The Shoop Shoop Song” by Cher is the same song as “It’s in his kiss” by Merry Clayton, but it’s hard to find if you filter by songtitle. Thanks. |
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For MM 4.0 we won't be adding a new field at this stage, and since TOAL seems to refer to both Original Album and Original Title, we could just: 1) Change 'Original album title' to 'Original album/title'. 2) Be consistent for FLAC/OGG by tagging to ORIGINAL TITLE in all cases. Alternatively, we can wait and add a second field for 'Original title', however, there is no ID3 tag for this, so the first option seems preferable. Assigning to Jiri for feedback/triage. |
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I fixed 2) in build 1373. Deferring 1) for the next version. Note: with the fix, MM reads OGG ORIGINAL ALBUM and ORIGINAL TITLE, but always writes ORIGINAL TITLE. |
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You still have inconsistent GUI in 1389. In the Properties dialog box we could see "Original album title", but in the header of the main tracklist it is "Original Album"; not to mention that in Advanced search criteria it is "Original Title" - 3 different names for the same thing which is really confusing. |
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Rusty, any suggestion? |
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We should just use 'Original album title' in all three cases (and in 4.1 switch to 'Original album/title', assuming we don't introduce distinct fields for both Orig Album and Orig Title. |
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Well, since MM4 has a support for movie/video... and from the description of TOAL field it could be also "Original movie title" or "Original show title" or... I think it would be better if it is just "Original title". |
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We could go that route as well. The only real problem with that approach is that the wma tags are for 'OriginalAlbum' and 'OriginalAlbumTitle'. So neither approach is perfect, but perhaps your suggestion is the better one. What's really needed is 'Original Album/Title', but we have to defer that for the next translation round. |
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Ok, agreed on 'Original Title' for now. |
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Fixed in build 1392. |
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Verified 1428 |
